The Race Is On!

[Tims65]

Well, the race is on between me and Oldstyl!!

I'm pulling my engine this weekend and we'll see who gets their car back on the road first.

Stay tuned.

Tim

[atlanticbluestang]

May 2nd is your deadline date. I want to see these cars at the Cowles Parkway Ford show. :)

Chris Caldwell
NCRMC President

[Oldstyl]

Well, the race is on between me and Oldstyl!!

I'm pulling my engine this weekend and we'll see who gets their car back on the road first.

Stay tuned.

Tim

OK, Don't you need to use my engine hoist to pull your engine? Sounds like I'm in control here.....Just kidding...I think we are dependent on each other to finish these projects...May 1 seems reasonable for my car....check out my updates.
David

[Tims65]

May 2nd is your deadline date. I want to see these cars at the Cowles Parkway Ford show. :)

Chris Caldwell
NCRMC President


Actually, I have a track event at Summit Point, April 18. Hopefully, I can attend both!

Tim

[Tims65]

Okay, I've decided to go ahead and pull the engine this Sunday (in the cold). I should have my new stroker in about 4 weeks and want to reroute the wiring and paint the engine compartment. So I figured I better start getting it done.

John (silversport) and David (oldstyl) are coming to lend their expertise.

We'll shoot lots of pictures and keep everyone updated.

Tim

[Tims65]

Looks like the weather is going to win this round - hopefully next weekend.

Tim

[Oldstyl]

Yee of little faith....if its over 32degrees and you don't work...well then you're just like me. A chicken!
DN ;)

[KenAsh]

Well, the race is on between me and Oldstyl!!

I'm pulling my engine this weekend and we'll see who gets their car back on the road first.

Stay tuned.

Tim

Hey Dave, Tim,

All of this positive energy is killing me, I need to release! Can I join the race?
I just received a set of new TFS TWs, a custom cam, and custom 680 Holly DP. I have a re-shined 3:55 pumpkin, I bought last fall to install. I'd like to make the Cowles show a target date, as well.

[Tims65]

Hey Dave, Tim,

All of this positive energy is killing me, I need to release! Can I join the race?
I just received a set of new TFS TWs, a custom cam, and custom 680 Holly DP. I have a re-shined 3:55 pumpkin, I bought last fall to install. I'd like to make the Cowles show a target date, as well.

Ken - Welcome to the race. Let's get these cars ready for the Cowles show! (and in my case hopefully for the EMRA Time Trials at Summit Point, April 19)

Well, the weather did stop me from a full day working on the car, but I did get some of the bigger jobs done. Pulled the Monty Carlo Bar and shock tower caps, labeled all of the wiring harness and got my hood suspended from the ceiling of the garage.

Tim

[vamach1]

Bad news is it's the same weekend as the Cowles Ford show. Contact Greg Cassidy gcassidy2@verizon.net for more information.

Rex

[Tims65]

Progress is slower then expected (what a surprise!) and the engine builder is still waiting on my heads. It looks like he will be finished next week and I am invited to the break-in dyno. I'll post up the results afterwards.

In the mean time, I have made some good progress. David (Oldstyl), Chris (Ponyxpress) and John (Silversport on VMF) all came over and helped pull my old engine out. Since then I have removed all of the wiring. It was pretty brittle, so I decided to replace it. Put in an order to Virginia Mustang and had my parts the next day!

Also, I spent most of last weekend striping the engine compartment. It ended up being a bigger job then I anticipated. Here are some before and after pictures.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/2-15-20091-44-51PM_0003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-17-20097-11-02PM_0001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-23-20098-04-03AM_0002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-23-20098-04-45AM_0007.jpg

[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

Man, don't you just love progress! It's always more fun, when you are "putting together", rather than "taking apart". I see where you and I shared the same 600 CFM Eddy, and even the same fuel pressure gauge. At lest we did, until about 3 weeks ago, wherein, I added the TFS TWs, a custom "CI" cam and a 680 CFM HP/DP.
While you're at it, if you're interested in having that distributor blueprinted with a custom curve, I have a guy who does very nice work for not a bunch of money. He rebuilt my '67 Autolite, provide all of the specs, and adjusted my curve to be "all-in" by 3000 RPM.
I was hoping to make that show in Gaithersburg this weekend, but, it's not looking to good.
I'm in the process of accumulating parts for a C4 to T5z conversion, perhaps, by fall. A lot depends on the financial climate. As my mustang is a 64.5 CVT., I want to replace any parts, that may be endanger of having to be being modified, drive shaft, pedal support assy. etc.

[Oldstyl]

Ken, When I did my t5 conversion I removed the original pedal support and installed a rebuilt one from a 4-speed. My old one is intact. However I did have to drill holes to install the clutch cable....I also bought a drive shaft from Modern Driveline and kept my original untouched.

[KenAsh]

Ken, When I did my t5 conversion I removed the original pedal support and installed a rebuilt one from a 4-speed. My old one is intact. However I did have to drill holes to install the clutch cable....I also bought a drive shaft from Modern Driveline and kept my original untouched.

Hey Tim,

When restoring my mustang, my position was the same. If, upgrading and "resto-moding " my ride, would result in my altering any parts, I would use "re-pop" and "squirrel" away the OEM parts. It's more costly, but, it benefits the next owner and preserves the integrity of the model. I know you've helping Dave, I posted on his area, that I found a guy in Alabama who has a friend that owns a mustang bone yard. Well, I'll repeat, that I got a 5 bolt manual bell housing from him with the engine plate for $85, and a "complete" pedal(s) assy, including the support for $125. Do you know of JD Larsen and his NOS parts?
I had this weekend confused with the 4th! Thank God, perhaps the real April 4th will be sunny, bright, and clear.

Good Luck!

[Tims65]

MME said that they should finish up my stroker Saturday and break it in on the dyno. If that's the case, I'm hoping to install it Sunday!!

Everyone's welcome to come help!

Tim

[Oldstyl]

Rain, rain, go away come again some other day....not Sunday. Get that bad boy in Tim, then we can get mine straight and go to track day so your hot rod can follow my stock A-code with stock tires all the way around Summit Point.

Its called an APEX dude, and you'll need to hit everyone of them!

Oh, not that race?

[Tims65]

MME - http://www.mmeracing.com/ - finished my engine up today, so I left work early today to pick it up.

Great shop and really great guys. Excellent customer service.

When I got there, they had my engine on the dyno. We did 5 pulls - top numbers were:
Torq - 434 at 4400
HP - 471.5 at 5800

But even more impressive was the Torque curve:
RPM C TORQ C PWR
BAND Ft-Lbs CHP
2542 343.6 166.3
2600 344.4 170.5
2700 350.8 180.3
2800 359.5 191.7
2900 384.9 212.5
3000 422.1 241.1
3100 433 255.6
3200 435.6 265.4
3300 423.6 266.2
3400 421.4 272.8
3500 427.9 285.2
3600 433.8 297.4
3700 449.1 316.4
3800 439.4 317.9

3835 411.5 300.5
3900 413 306.7
4000 425.6 324.2
4100 429.6 335.4
4200 427.3 341.7
4300 433.7 355.1
4400 428.8 359.3
4500 431.5 369.7
4600 434.1 380.2
4700 432.2 386.8
4800 428.2 391.4
4900 426 397.4
5000 422.7 402.4
5100 419.6 407.4
5200 418.6 414.4
5300 412.2 416
5400 431.1 443.3
5500 420.7 440.6
5600 417.9 445.5
5700 415.3 450.7
5800 407.5 450
5900 395.6 444.4
6000 375.5 429
6105 364.2 423.4

[GEE TEE]

I'm looking for investment opportunities; which tire manufacturer should I buy stock in? :D

Nitto

[Tims65]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/2-15-20091-44-45PM_0002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/IMG_0097.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-17-20097-11-02PM_0001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-17-20097-11-11PM_0002.jpg

[Tims65]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-23-20098-04-45AM_0007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/3-29-20094-28-46PM_0006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-5-200911-34-20AM_0003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-5-200911-33-58AM_0001.jpg

[Tims65]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-5-200912-12-18PM_0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-5-20092-18-47PM_0005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-5-20092-18-58PM_0006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-5-20094-53-06PM_0008.jpg

[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

I saw the dyno specs. What parts, do you have that make these numbers?
Also, is this a street warrior, or, a summit car? By the way, I had a great time Saturday at Sheehey. I met a couple very nice members. I think Richard Porter (name?) was one of them.

This was my first long trip out after the installation of my TFS TWs, custom , cam, and ProSystem's 680 Holly. The engine ran very well "right out of the box". I did have one issue, though. The transmission didn't want to shift into third. When pulling the heads, I pulled the tranny dipstick out of it's location and lost a lot of ATF. So, although I replaced the fluid, I thought, perhaps, it was still too low to no avail. I later found out, the vac hose fell off of the shift modulator. Probably came loose, when pulling the intake.
Since crazy things happen, when we take these rigs apart, be vigilant with your project.
Play Safe!

[Tims65]

Here's the specs:

347 cubic inch 302 based engine
400+fwhp @6000rpm

Engine to include:
5.0 roller block
MME 347 stroker rotating assembly
Cast steel crank
Forged pistons
Forged I rods
Dart Pro 1 heads
MME custom hydraulic roller cam
Comp cams hydraulic roller lifters
Comp cams retainer kit
Comp cams roller timing set
Comp HD push rods
Melling blueprinted oil pump
HD Oil pump shaft
Complete engine gasket set
Main Bolts
Head studs 12pt
Head hat washers
Edelbrock Air gap manifold
Comp or equal roller rockers
Std rotation timing cover (new)
Std rotation high flow water pump
Cast alum valve covers
HD harmonic balancer
MSD distributor
Wire set
Engine fastener kit
Billet steel flywheel Drilled for three finger or diaphram
Full CNC block machining
Digital balancing
Engine fully blueprinted
Engine fully assembled
Engine dynoed with MME carb and distributor (customer invited to be presesnt)

Parts supplied by owner
Canton oil pan, pick-up,windage tray and gasket
RetroTek EFI system including ECU, pump, MSD 6AL and coil.

Compression Ratio - 10.25:1

Cam Specs:

Intake SAE - 281
Exhaust SAE - 285

Intake @.050 - 232
Exhaust @.050 - 236

Intake Lift - .566
Exhaust Lift - .571

[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

Will you be putting that rig on a chassis dyno? I'll be interesting to see what the power train losses will be at the rear wheels. Our cams are very similar, as they are both custom units with similar specs. However, I'm running 10:6 CR.
Can't wait to see it in the 'flesh"
Now, get back to work!

[atlanticbluestang]

Hey Tim,

Will you be putting that rig on a chassis dyno? I'll be interesting to see what the power train losses will be at the rear wheels. Our cams are very similar, as they are both custom units with similar specs. However, I'm running 10:6 CR.
Can't wait to see it in the 'flesh"
Now, get back to work!

Great idea. You should bring the car to Dyno Day on May 9th at Springfield Motorsports.

[KenAsh]

Great idea. You should bring the car to Dyno Day on May 9th at Springfield Motorsports.

Well, I'm thinking on it. It's a long way for me, when I have a dyno shop, less than 2 miles from me. But, the camaraderie would be "kool", too!
Anyone know what the capacity for that day is? I was at the Sheehey show last Saturday and spoke to the guy running it. It sounds like a great day for all.

[atlanticbluestang]

Well, I'm thinking on it. It's a long way for me, when I have a dyno shop, less than 2 miles from me. But, the camaraderie would be "kool", too!
Anyone know what the capacity for that day is? I was at the Sheehey show last Saturday and spoke to the guy running it. It sounds like a great day for all.

There only six pulls available. Three pulls are spoken for. So there are currently three pulls left, but you would have to call Springfield Motorsports to confirm.

[Oldstyl]

you need a stronger tranny!

[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

Will you be putting that rig on a chassis dyno? I'll be interesting to see what the power train losses will be at the rear wheels. Our cams are very similar, as they are both custom units with similar specs. However, I'm running 10:6 CR.
Can't wait to see it in the 'flesh"
Now, get back to work!

Hey Tim,
Dave raises a good point regarding that T5 your running. I would think it not be up to the task of harnessing that torque with any reliability. Of course, you would have wait and see what the average RWTQ and RWHP #s are at the rear wheels, then go from there. But, my gut tells me your looking, at minimum, an upgraded T5z or heavier gear sets.
What's another $2K, anyway??

[Tims65]

you need a stronger tranny!


That's fantastic!!....My wife is going to be thrilled with the news!

She keeps telling me, I should upgrade to a T56!

Tim

[KenAsh]

That's fantastic!!....My wife is going to be thrilled with the news!

She keeps telling me, I should upgrade to a T56!

Tim

Tim,

What stage are you in with your install these days?

[Oldstyl]

Ken,
Tim and I work together...He's had problems with the rain and "engineering".

The engines in and he making the hookups, but he ran into a problem with his shorty water pump and the pulleys lining up correctly. He needed to make space for the Alum Rad and Electric Fan. He's falling behind his schedule and jokingly said he would not be done in September....He's really only a couple of weekends away if he resolves his w/p issue.

DN

[KenAsh]

Ken,
Tim and I work together...He's had problems with the rain and "engineering".

The engines in and he making the hookups, but he ran into a problem with his shorty water pump and the pulleys lining up correctly. He needed to make space for the Alum Rad and Electric Fan. He's falling behind his schedule and jokingly said he would not be done in September....He's really only a couple of weekends away if he resolves his w/p issue.

DN

Hey Dave,

Hope all is well. How's your project going these days? Did Tim get his issues sorted out?
I R&R'd the rear this past weekend. Holly cow, those things are heavy! Especially, when your working with 18" of space. Decided to pull the E-cables as they were original and almost never worked. They were very "stuck". Can't imagine why I din't replace them a long time ago. Also, was able to replace that rear "crushed" brake line, as well. I'm waiting on new cables from VA classic and my re-engineered and updated OEM radio. Everything should be in by the end of next week, "Lord will'in and the creek don't rise".
Play Safe!

[Tims65]

The race has slowed to a crawl!

Yes, I have had some problems with engineering of my "restomod" and time negotiations (wife and 4 year old). Since my car is no longer a stock '65 Mustang, agonizing thought must be put into every part at this point. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to track down some of the specific bolts I have needed for my application.

The engine is a stock '93 roller cam block with aluminum heads, I'm adding the Retrotek EFI, a Blackmagic electric fan and MSD 6AL ignition box.

Pulley Saga
The fan and shroud are too thick to fit between the radiator and the water pump, so I had to get a "short nose" water pump.
The stock pulleys will not work with a short nose water pump.
The stock alternator bracket will not work with the short nose water pump.
$250 worth of aluminum pulleys and they still will not align - a crank pulley spacer and a new alternator bracket with 4 custom milled spacers (each requiring specific, non stock, bolts) and I finally have the pulleys lined up!! - Time expenditure - 2 weeks of agonizing!

Clutch Z-bar mount, engine side saga
The '93 roller block does not have a provision for the Z-bar mount, but there is a "bolt-on" bracket - so no problem, right? The bracket would not bolt on to my Lakewood scattershield - the scattershield flange would not allow the bracket to line up with the mounting bolt locations. This probably wouldn't have been a big deal if I had installed the bracket before installing the engine - But it was a MFB to do lying on my back, under my car on jack stands, with limited access!! Two+ hours with the grinder and dremmel tool - red hot shrapnel freckling my face, just to find out that bolting it on does not align it with the driver side mount and the curvature of the scattershield will not allow washer shims to seat. So more custom bolts and a stack of 6 cut washer locking washers and the engine side pivot is finally mounted and lined up. A 20 minute job stretched into 2 nights hard labor.

Wiring Saga
Still to come.... I still have to wire my 36 wire EFI system, electronic fan, MSD 6AL box, associated relays and While I'm At It, I may as well rewire the entire engine compartment and hide all of the wiring under the fenders. - I don't even know what I'm in for here, yet!! I'll keep you posted.

Tim

[KenAsh]

The race has slowed to a crawl!

Yes, I have had some problems with engineering of my "restomod" and time negotiations (wife and 4 year old). Since my car is no longer a stock '65 Mustang, agonizing thought must be put into every part at this point. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to track down some of the specific bolts I have needed for my application.

The engine is a stock '93 roller cam block with aluminum heads, I'm adding the Retrotek EFI, a Blackmagic electric fan and MSD 6AL ignition box.

Pulley Saga
The fan and shroud are too thick to fit between the radiator and the water pump, so I had to get a "short nose" water pump.
The stock pulleys will not work with a short nose water pump.
The stock alternator bracket will not work with the short nose water pump.
$250 worth of aluminum pulleys and they still will not align - a crank pulley spacer and a new alternator bracket with 4 custom milled spacers (each requiring specific, non stock, bolts) and I finally have the pulleys lined up!! - Time expenditure - 2 weeks of agonizing!

Clutch Z-bar mount, engine side saga
The '93 roller block does not have a provision for the Z-bar mount, but there is a "bolt-on" bracket - so no problem, right? The bracket would not bolt on to my Lakewood scattershield - the scattershield flange would not allow the bracket to line up with the mounting bolt locations. This probably wouldn't have been a big deal if I had installed the bracket before installing the engine - But it was a MFB to do lying on my back, under my car on jack stands, with limited access!! Two+ hours with the grinder and dremmel tool - red hot shrapnel freckling my face, just to find out that bolting it on does not align it with the driver side mount and the curvature of the scattershield will not allow washer shims to seat. So more custom bolts and a stack of 6 cut washer locking washers and the engine side pivot is finally mounted and lined up. A 20 minute job stretched into 2 nights hard labor.

Wiring Saga
Still to come.... I still have to wire my 36 wire EFI system, electronic fan, MSD 6AL box, associated relays and While I'm At It, I may as well rewire the entire engine compartment and hide all of the wiring under the fenders. - I don't even know what I'm in for here, yet!! I'll keep you posted.

Tim

Tim,

You have so many issues, you might explode! I can only say, that time, patience, and a sense of ingenuity will prevail. Hang in there brother and gooood luck!

[Tims65]

Tim,

You have so many issues, you might explode! I can only say, that time, patience, and a sense of ingenuity will prevail. Hang in there brother and gooood luck!

Thanks, at least along with the different challenges I've had to face is the satisfaction of figuring each out and accomplishing them - that's kind of what makes the hobby so satisfying to me.

Tim

[KenAsh]

Thanks, at least along with the different challenges I've had to face is the satisfaction of figuring each out and accomplishing them - that's kind of what makes the hobby so satisfying to me.

Tim

I Know just what you mean. I feel the same way, as I'm sure Dave does, as well.
Play Safe! Keep us posted. I'd like to see that thing this summer.

[Tims65]

I got a ton done this weekend, including the "who needs to drain the gas tank to plumb in a new fuel line". That's right, I got the new fuel line installed from the new EFI throttle body back to the fuel cell, including fuel pressure gauge, fuel filters (2) fuel pump and custom bent 180* hard line. All that was left was 6" of fuel hose. Go to the store and buy 10 gallons worth of gas cans and spend the time to drain the tank or just cut the line and plug it with my finger while lying on my back.

You guessed it - cut the line! That's right cut the fuel line right off at the fuel cell outlet and hold back 10 gallons of premium, high octane, super flamable gas while smoking, of course (JK). So now it's just a matter of slidding the new fuel hose over the fuel cell out flow nipple, right? Well, I bent the new custom bent 180* hard line to long to allow it to line up with the fuel cell out flow nipple - so there I am laying on my back like the dutch boy trying to plug the dyke!

Slide out from under the car, while keeping my finger on the fuel line, hook the tool box with my foot and drag it close enought to get the tubing cutter - cut 2" off of the new 180* hard line, spit on it and slide the fuel hose over it, line it up, pull my finger away and slide the fuel line over the out put nipple! Done! Now off to the shower.

Please do not try this at home - obviously I am an experienced professional!

Tim

[KenAsh]

I got a ton done this weekend, including the "who needs to drain the gas tank to plumb in a new fuel line". That's right, I got the new fuel line installed from the new EFI throttle body back to the fuel cell, including fuel pressure gauge, fuel filters (2) fuel pump and custom bent 180* hard line. All that was left was 6" of fuel hose. Go to the store and buy 10 gallons worth of gas cans and spend the time to drain the tank or just cut the line and plug it with my finger while lying on my back.

You guessed it - cut the line! That's right cut the fuel line right off at the fuel cell outlet and hold back 10 gallons of premium, high octane, super flamable gas while smoking, of course (JK). So now it's just a matter of slidding the new fuel hose over the fuel cell out flow nipple, right? Well, I bent the new custom bent 180* hard line to long to allow it to line up with the fuel cell out flow nipple - so there I am laying on my back like the dutch boy trying to plug the dyke!

Slide out from under the car, while keeping my finger on the fuel line, hook the tool box with my foot and drag it close enought to get the tubing cutter - cut 2" off of the new 180* hard line, spit on it and slide the fuel hose over it, line it up, pull my finger away and slide the fuel line over the out put nipple! Done! Now off to the shower.

Please do not try this at home - obviously I am an experienced professional!

Tim

Hey Tim,

Nice job! Isn't this how we all do these jobs?
Think you'll make July 5th to Sheehy? I'd like to meet your "Dream Girl".
Good to see you're back on board.
PlaySafe.......or, should I say, "safer"?

[Oldstyl]

Dude, I have 3 empty 5 gallon cans! Just a mile away, purchased for the same thing a couple of years ago. DN

[Tims65]

Dude, I have 3 empty 5 gallon cans! Just a mile away, purchased for the same thing a couple of years ago. DN

Yea, but I'm a risk taker!

Tim

[Tims65]

Hey Tim,

Nice job! Isn't this how we all do these jobs?
Think you'll make July 5th to Sheehy? I'd like to meet your "Dream Girl".
Good to see you're back on board.
PlaySafe.......or, should I say, "safer"?

I'm getting closer, but too gun shy to make a commitment. If it's back on the road, I'll be there.

Tim

[Tims65]

Picture time!

The fuel pump and fuel filter:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/5-30-20092-55-52PM_0003.jpg

Fuel pump and fuel filter installed with the high pressure fuel hose:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/6-3-20097-58-22AM_0004.jpg

Electric fan fitment on Griffin aluminum radiator:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-27-20098-22-43PM_0003.jpg

Electric fan with custom aluminum mounting brackets:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/4-27-20098-23-28PM_0005.jpg

Tim

[KenAsh]

I got a ton done this weekend, including the "who needs to drain the gas tank to plumb in a new fuel line". That's right, I got the new fuel line installed from the new EFI throttle body back to the fuel cell, including fuel pressure gauge, fuel filters (2) fuel pump and custom bent 180* hard line. All that was left was 6" of fuel hose. Go to the store and buy 10 gallons worth of gas cans and spend the time to drain the tank or just cut the line and plug it with my finger while lying on my back.

You guessed it - cut the line! That's right cut the fuel line right off at the fuel cell outlet and hold back 10 gallons of premium, high octane, super flamable gas while smoking, of course (JK). So now it's just a matter of slidding the new fuel hose over the fuel cell out flow nipple, right? Well, I bent the new custom bent 180* hard line to long to allow it to line up with the fuel cell out flow nipple - so there I am laying on my back like the dutch boy trying to plug the dyke!

Slide out from under the car, while keeping my finger on the fuel line, hook the tool box with my foot and drag it close enought to get the tubing cutter - cut 2" off of the new 180* hard line, spit on it and slide the fuel hose over it, line it up, pull my finger away and slide the fuel line over the out put nipple! Done! Now off to the shower.

Please do not try this at home - obviously I am an experienced professional!

Tim

Hey Tim,
I forgot to add in my last post, as part of the T5 install, on my "bucket list" was to swap out this carter for a holly pump. I was laying there pondering how I was going to break those connections, and reconnect the Holly with 22 gals of fuel just waiting to dump on me! The "professional" in me said "don't do it, not a good idea"! The only reason to do it in the first place, was to stop a little seepage, which I think, I corrected with a little tightening.
Hope you smell better now! I have some pics, but, they are just over the limit for posting, as are many of my pics.
Good luck there!

[Tims65]

]Wiring Saga[/B]
Still to come.... I still have to wire my 36 wire EFI system, electronic fan, MSD 6AL box, associated relays and While I'm At It, I may as well rewire the entire engine compartment and hide all of the wiring under the fenders. - I don't even know what I'm in for here, yet!! I'll keep you posted.

Tim

Yes, I have been hard at it, with all available time, the last month rewiring the engine compartment. Beside adding the RetroTek EFI system (36 wires), MSD 6-AL Box (9 wires), and the new electric fan (4 wires): I have decided to replace both engine compartment harnesses, retrofit them and "hide" them. That's right I moved them under the fenders.

The driver side harness was actually pretty easy. I drilled a 1-3/8" hole below the hood hinge and passed the wiring harness out of the engine bay - under the fender. I protected it with some heater hose, that I split length wise. Then I brought it back into the engine bay just behind the radiator support. Since, I have eliminated the voltage regulator with a 1-wire alternator, I just needed to hook up the horns and front lights.

The passenger side harness was a little more difficult. I drilled another 1-3/8" hole below the hood hinge and passed the wiring harness out of the engine ban and under the fender. I eliminated the solenoid by using a High-torque mini starter with the solenoid attached.

The passenger side wiring has become quite a challenge, as this is where I am also bringing the 9 MSD 6-AL wires and all of the power connections for the fan and EFI.

I'll try to get some pictures up early next week.

Only a fraction of the whole bowl of spaghetti.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/6-19-20092-41-55PM_0004.jpg

Tim

[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

I like that fuel pump and filter package. What's the details on it?

[Tims65]

Hey Tim,

I like that fuel pump and filter package. What's the details on it?

The electronic fuel pump and pre-filter came with the RetroTek EFI system, the mounting bracket came with the electric fan. I ended up separating the fuel pump and filter and mounting them separately.

Tim

[Tims65]

Making some good progress!

And these pictures are of the completely wired engine bay; including both stock wiring harnesses, 4 wire electric fan connections, 8 wire MSD 6AL Box connections and the 36 wire RetroTek EFI system.
How many wires can you count?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/6-28-20093-43-33PM_0001.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/6-28-20096-03-47PM_0009.jpg

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[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

Your rig is looking pretty good there. The RetroTek system is a Kool way to get modern fuel delivery with nostalgic looks!
We have similar taste in valve covers. What's the amp draw of the fan setup?
I'm planning to make the Sheehy show this coming weekend, you going/visiting?

[Tims65]

Well, I'm ready to start it up tomorrow! I've got my fingers crossed that I got it right the first time.

If your local and want to stop by, drop me a PM with your phone number or I'll shoot you my number.

Tim

[Tims65]

Well, if you've seen some of my other threads, I have been having trouble starting my new engine. It ended up that the distributer cap was mislabled - http://www.ncrmc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=533 - Well after I got that resolved, it fired right up, but I had a bad fuel leak at the fuel feed into the throttle body. The threads got stripped out in one of the fuel supply ports.

When I finally got it started, it was last Wednesday night. I'm on the East coast, so I couldn't reach RetroTek until noon on Thursday. I explained what happened and told them I thought the original problem occured with the installation of the fuel feed plugs that were placed in the throttle body. It was very difficult to back out the plugs and I couldn't get the fuel line addapter to finger tighten very far. I told them I would pay for a new "bowl" and gave them my credit card. The Tech sent me a new "bowl", didn't charge my card and told me to send in the damaged piece. If they thought it was do to my neglegance, they would contact me. The new "bowl" showed up Friday!! So I can replace the damaged part and get my car running this past weekend.

I was very impressed with their customer service!

But, Saturday morning I got the throttle body disassembled and started with the reassembly and...Oh well, the new "fuel bowl" had the wrong port size for the fuel pressure sensor. So I boxed up the throttle body and the fuel bowl that they sent me and sent everything back for them to repair. I know, it was an honest mistake, but I'm disappointed - another 2 weeks out again.

Tim

[KenAsh]

Well, if you've seen some of my other threads, I have been having trouble starting my new engine. It ended up that the distributer cap was mislabled - http://www.ncrmc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=533 - Well after I got that resolved, it fired right up, but I had a bad fuel leak at the fuel feed into the throttle body. The threads got stripped out in one of the fuel supply ports.

When I finally got it started, it was last Wednesday night. I'm on the East coast, so I couldn't reach RetroTek until noon on Thursday. I explained what happened and told them I thought the original problem occured with the installation of the fuel feed plugs that were placed in the throttle body. It was very difficult to back out the plugs and I couldn't get the fuel line addapter to finger tighten very far. I told them I would pay for a new "bowl" and gave them my credit card. The Tech sent me a new "bowl", didn't charge my card and told me to send in the damaged piece. If they thought it was do to my neglegance, they would contact me. The new "bowl" showed up Friday!! So I can replace the damaged part and get my car running this past weekend.

I was very impressed with their customer service!

But, Saturday morning I got the throttle body disassembled and started with the reassembly and...Oh well, the new "fuel bowl" had the wrong port size for the fuel pressure sensor. So I boxed up the throttle body and the fuel bowl that they sent me and sent everything back for them to repair. I know, it was an honest mistake, but I'm disappointed - another 2 weeks out again.

Tim
Tim, I read through this last post with the damaged port threads. That is awful and dissapointing. Especially, when this is new installation and you just want to get the thing running and experience your accomplishment a little.
I had a similar experience and it is so dissapointing. After installing my fuel cell, and filling the tank with fuel, I then learned, to calibrate the fuel tank sensor correctly, you apply voltage and adjust for the tank empty, then add fuel, and calibrate for "full". The alternative is to remove the sender and perform a bench calibration. Some time later, I decided to remove the sender, only to learn it was installed incorrectly at the factory, requiring me to damage the unit slightly in removing. Of course, all the while, I was in touch with the tech guys. As this was a factory assembly "screw-up", I contacted Fuel Safe in Washington State. After explaining the problems and sending a few pics, they graciously sent me replacement sensor, no charge and allowed me to keep the original unit, which is still serviceable. But, this took the car off the road for two weeks.
Well, I guess you can use this time to work on some other aspect. That's where i usually find my salvation.
Good Luck! :)

[Oldstyl]

I don't hear no rumblin in my drive way Timmy boy...wassup?

[Tims65]

Got back from vacation yesterday and my neighbor had 3 nice boxes waiting for me, two from Summit Racing and one from RetroTek!!

I sent my throttle body back to RetroTek for a fuel leak and the returned it repaired, no charge!

I got the throttle body and wiring harness reinstalled last night, but haven't gotten around to reconnecting the fuel lines - I've got my fingers crossed!

Also, I need to replace my brake MC, then hopefully I'm ready to do some doughnuts in Oldstyl's Cul-de-sac!!

Tim

[KenAsh]

Got back from vacation yesterday and my neighbor had 3 nice boxes waiting for me, two from Summit Racing and one from RetroTek!!

I sent my throttle body back to RetroTek for a fuel leak and the returned it repaired, no charge!

I got the throttle body and wiring harness reinstalled last night, but haven't gotten around to reconnecting the fuel lines - I've got my fingers crossed!

Also, I need to replace my brake MC, then hopefully I'm ready to do some doughnuts in Oldstyl's Cul-de-sac!!

Tim

So, I guess this means you want make it to Apple?
Good Luck with the new parts.

[Tims65]

Okay, finally I have the engine started and running. I have not brought it to operating temperature or sorted it out, but the end is in sight.

I'm hoping to spend some time with it on Sunday - if anyone is available and wants to help me sort this thing out, let me know.

Tim

[Oldstyl]

How did it go?

[Tims65]

Well, I did get to spend some time on my car again this last weekend. I got it started again, no fuel leaks anywhere, but the bearing in my alternator is shot. Of course, my alternator isn't a stock alternator that I could pick up at Fairfax Auto Parts! I've got another order into Summit Racing for a 130 amp, 1-wire, PowerMaster on the way. Hopefully it will be here Wednesday.

I haven't been able to bring the engine up to operating temperature, but everything else is checking out fine. I had to hook up a mechanical oil pressure gauge because I was using the wrong electronic sender unit and it pegged my oil pressure gauge. My gauge is still stuck at full.

I, also, swapped my valve covers and installed some spark plug wire looms and routed the wires.

Here's some pictures with the new valve covers. These pictures are of the fully wired engine compartment, including both stock wiring harnesses, the 36 wire RetroTek EFI system, 8 wire MSD-6AL box and 4 wire electric fan. - See how many wires you can find.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Timspics/Mustang/Engine/8-25-200910-09-23AM_0008.jpg

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[KenAsh]

Hey Tim,

The engine bay looks very tidy. even though we don't share the us of those same VCs any longer, I did run that Eddy air cleaner a few years back. So, why did you change the VCs?
Why did you not run a factory MC? Is that a Tilton unit, I see there?
:)

[Tims65]

Hey Tim,

The engine bay looks very tidy. even though we don't share the us of those same VCs any longer, I did run that Eddy air cleaner a few years back....

Thanks Ken, I'm liking it too. Now I just need it running!!


...So, why did you change the VCs?...

As you know the stock valve covers weren't tall enough to clear my roller rockers and the engine builder used the extra thick/tall gasket to get the clearance. I never really like the look of the tall gaskets and I think the black/red Ford Racing look great with the rest of my engine compartment. If I ever get it running, I'm going to have a trunk full of parts to sell at a Fall show.


Why did you not run a factory MC? Is that a Tilton unit, I see there?
:)

It's a '93 Mustang Cobra master cylinder, the bore is 15/16". When I put the new Wilwood rear brakes on, I couldn't get enough pressure on the brakes, at the track, with the 1" bore. The 15/16" bore feels good, when it is completely bled.

Tim

[Tims65]

OK, so I replaced my alternator last night, but the battery was too low to turn the engine over. So, tonight I hook up some jumper cables to my Explorer and the engine turns right over but the electronic fuel pump never comes on. This is really starting to piss me off!!! It's one thing after another.

I pulled out a good, but high milage, engine out in February and here I am in August with a f@#&ing lawn ornament. I could have spent my Spring at the track instead of feeding the mosquitos.

I have the RetroTek EFI system on my new 347 stroker. Sunday I had the engine started a running, but the alternator bearing was SCREAMING, so I couldn't bring the engine up to operating temperature. I pulled the alternator and ordered a new PowerMaster 1-wire alternator. The only thing I have done since the engine was running Sunday was to replace the alternator - and now the electronic fuel pump won't come on - it ran fine on Sunday. The first thing I did was check the fuses - all fuses good.

What a PITA!

[VASCJ]

gotta love these old cars...thats why its nice to have a modern mustang to enjoy sometimes. these old cars can be just big toy models. park it in the garage and look at it may keep your blood pressure down a bit. we've all suffered the frustration of fixing one thing after another. I will say, once the bugs are all worked out, you will enjoy it once its running. it will be worth it in the end, but, for now...put the tools down and walk away. Come back when you have settled down. they are great when running right and a PIA when not.

[KenAsh]

gotta love these old cars...thats why its nice to have a modern mustang to enjoy sometimes. these old cars can be just big toy models. park it in the garage and look at it may keep your blood pressure down a bit. we've all suffered the frustration of fixing one thing after another. I will say, once the bugs are all worked out, you will enjoy it once its running. it will be worth it in the end, but, for now...put the tools down and walk away. Come back when you have settled down. they are great when running right and a PIA when not.

Well I got to say, I agree... for the moment!
I'm in a period, wherein, I'm in a maintenance mode. There's nothing more I want to do to the old girl, except change her fluids and get her out for a ride. She's fast and she's kool!
The most involved, complicated, heaviest burden I want to do as I write this is to provide my free thoughts to help someone else and, maybe, install a "headlight-on" buzzer, I purchased from NAPA yesterday for $7 bucks.
Now, this is "living tall and spending small!"
Have a great weekend... Dave, Tim, and VASJ and all the other DIY's reading this.:D

[Tims65]

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!

Well, finally, she moved under her own power!!

I got the wheels back on and torqued the lugs, set her on the ground, got the clutch linkage adjusted, gave her a quick bath, double checked everything and off we went. I didn't take her far, just to the gas station to fill up with some fresh gas and air up the tires.

The EFI computer seems to still be hunting for the idle. I had to keep blipping the throttle at red lights to keep it from stalling.

Also, the hot starts seem to turn over slow.

Hopefully, I can get a few more miles on her tomorrow. I still want to keep close to home, until I have confidence in the new engine and set up.

At the start of this project, I never anticipated it taking so long. Most was due to the time restrains, but a lot of the delays had to due with ordering of custom parts. But hopefully, I can make the Show this month!

Tim

[KenAsh]

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!

Well, finally, she moved under her own power!!

I got the wheels back on and torqued the lugs, set her on the ground, got the clutch linkage adjusted, gave her a quick bath, double checked everything and off we went. I didn't take her far, just to the gas station to fill up with some fresh gas and air up the tires.

The EFI computer seems to still be hunting for the idle. I had to keep blipping the throttle at red lights to keep it from stalling.

Also, the hot starts seem to turn over slow.

Hopefully, I can get a few more miles on her tomorrow. I still want to keep close to home, until I have confidence in the new engine and set up.

At the start of this project, I never anticipated it taking so long. Most was due to the time restrains, but a lot of the delays had to due with ordering of custom parts. But hopefully, I can make the Show this month!

Tim

Hey Tim finally.....
Great news from you this weekend! I must say this is a milestone weekend revelation! It's VG to learn your mustang can now craw and, will soon, begin to walk.
I know how you feel about gaining confidence after making so many changes. It took me 6 months to a year, before I felt like nothing was going to fall off, or stop working. Then, I began believing in my attention to details in each process and my confidence was there. It did help knowing I had a "AAA" membership to get me home.
It did take me 6 months, or so, to get the tune right, mostly carb, and timing.
As I look back, I had two issues that were memorable...
One issue , was when I was road testing and had driven over some bad rutted neighborhood roads, when suddenly, the engine shut down. Fortunately, I was on a back road with not a lot of traffic and could pull over on a wide shoulder. I'm thinking I simply ran out of gas, since I couldn't remember how gas I had in it and the fuel cell sending unit had not yet been calibrated. So, I started the short walk (couple of miles, sunny day) back home to get my gas can and return in the the Van. After refueling with a couple of gallons, it still did not fire! Hmmmm! After a few frantic moments, I remembered the rough roads and as a last effort, I checked my fuel cut-off inertia switch located on the rear frame rail. That was it!. It had "popped" and without my knowing and the electric fuel pump shut down.
The second issue occurred a year, or so, later when returning from a car show 30 miles away. I was hearing a scrapping noise, sounding like worn out brake pads scrapping a rotor when I applied the brakes. It was very noticeable a slow speeds when in my neighborhood. I get home jack her up, remove the front wheels and after a few minutes of wiggling and looking, it just so happened, I notice one of the bolts attaching the right side caliper to the spindle was missing?:eek: What's with this? I check the left front and sure enough, the it was loose, but not missing. I'm thinking know way ! These have been on there few a number of years prior to road testing. But, in the end I have to blame myself fro not rechecking my work and fortunately no damage.

The road testing will be both exciting and full of nerves I'm sure, especially with that new EFI induction system to get to know. I guess, you'll soon learn just how good their customer service really is, as well.
I very much hope to see both you and Dave at the Oct 24th show. Hopefully it will be a nice fall day. This past weekend, I attended the "Back to Bethesda show" and was fortunate to win a "1st place" in the 62 - 68, or so, modified class.

Again, congratulations! OK, "Dave" what's with you?:)

[Oldstyl]

Well, I'm trying to find the time again, but I'll get there. If it wasn't for the 4 hours I dedicated to getting Tim on the road this summer I'd be done....lol

Tim's actully using an old starter that I had laying in the garage. But with like 100 to 1 compression I'm not surprised that a 50 year old starter has problems with cranking that monster when its hot....heck its the same age I am, and I can't get started easily either. That Tim is such a bragger....

I know he's staying close to home breaking it in...I live a mile away and I didn't here any hi-po rumble in front of my house, so I ain't drinking no Rader Kool-aid yet...of course I think he was at the Skins game today....

[Tims65]

Well, I'm trying to find the time again, but I'll get there. If it wasn't for the 4 hours I dedicated to getting Tim on the road this summer I'd be done....lol

Tim's actully using an old starter that I had laying in the garage. But with like 100 to 1 compression I'm not surprised that a 50 year old starter has problems with cranking that monster when its hot....heck its the same age I am, and I can't get started easily either. That Tim is such a bragger....

I know he's staying close to home breaking it in...I live a mile away and I didn't here any hi-po rumble in front of my house, so I ain't drinking no Rader Kool-aid yet...of course I think he was at the Skins game today....

You'll be seeing a pair of tire marks in your Cul-de-Sac soon enough.

Tim

[Oldstyl]

Better have Traction lock on that thing....remember....its a t-5....and YOU really don't want to break that thing open to replace toothless gear sets :)

[KenAsh]

You'll be seeing a pair of tire marks in your Cul-de-Sac soon enough.

Tim

Yeah!, only if you can get it to crank!
Now, your mission today "Tim" is to order a high-torque mini starter from: http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/starters.html .....and fix that issue.
They are smaller and easier to install when using headers. Not to mention the 5 lb wt. savings. "Saving weight is adding HP!":)

[Tims65]

Yeah!, only if you can get it to crank!
Now, your mission today "Tim" is to order a high-torque mini starter from: http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/starters.html .....and fix that issue.
They are smaller and easier to install when using headers. Not to mention the 5 lb wt. savings. "Saving weight is adding HP!":)

I've got a brand new one sitting in my garage. It wouldn't turn over, so David drove home and grabbed an old one out of his garage. David's old one worked fine. I've tried the Mini Starter again with the same results - no crank. So I took it in to be tested at AutoZone. Initally it didn't start and tested bad, then all of the sudden it started. I'm hesitant to put it on, I think it has a loose wire some where.

Tim

[Oldstyl]

OK, since yours ran for a few days, then had to go under the knife (er, wrench...er, laptop), and mine made the May 8th show, does that mean I win?

[KenAsh]

OK, since yours ran for a few days, then had to go under the knife (er, wrench...er, laptop), and mine made the May 8th show, does that mean I win?

David,

I, for one, would declare you the winner! Tim's ride has been on the mat (down for the count) too many times to be deemed the victor. Sorry Tim, you need to return to the gym for more training.:eek:

[Oldstyl]

David,

I, for one, would declare you the winner! Tim's ride has been on the mat (down for the count) too many times to be deemed the victor. Sorry Tim, you need to return to the gym for more training.:eek:

I knew there was a reason I liked you! ;)

[Tims65]

Ahh..., if you reread, my quest was never to be first to the show, but first to the Track. This I accomplished last Fall (even if I did run out of gas on the way home), a full 6 months before you took your car to the show!

I demand a recount!

Tim

[KenAsh]

Ahh..., if you reread, my quest was never to be first to the show, but first to the Track. This I accomplished last Fall (even if I did run out of gas on the way home), a full 6 months before you took your car to the show!

I demand a recount!

Tim


Gentlemen,

I think we need a rematch!
da, da da,da!, da (Rocky Theme):D

[Oldstyl]

Ahh..., if you reread, my quest was never to be first to the show, but first to the Track. This I accomplished last Fall (even if I did run out of gas on the way home), a full 6 months before you took your car to the show!

I demand a recount!

Tim

Ok, you would alway win that challenge seeing that my car is a street car and yours is a track car......sound like revisionist history to me....and by the way, don;t go quoting facts to prove me wrong....I won't listen anyway :)

[JBRIDGETT]

All right NERF pistols are 10 paces.

[Tims65]

Ok, you would alway win that challenge seeing that my car is a street car and yours is a track car......sound like revisionist history to me....and by the way, don;t go quoting facts to prove me wrong....I won't listen anyway :)

Just for that I'm going to come do doughnuts in your cul-de-sac this weekend!

...that is if I can get my car running well enough to drive 1 mile over to your house.

Tim

[Oldstyl]

Well done Tim....my neighbor really liked your car!

[KenAsh]

Well done Tim....my neighbor really liked your car!


What, What! "Well done?" What did he do, fix a steak? No donuts?
:D

[Oldstyl]

No donuts.....

[Tims65]

What, What! "Well done?" What did he do, fix a steak? No donuts?
:D


I was politely told that doughnuts would be frowned upon!

Tim

[KenAsh]

I was politely told that doughnuts would be frowned upon!

Tim

I would have replied, but Dave your Cul-De-Sac is perfect for a "skid pad test"!
:D

[Oldstyl]

Yes its a perfect skid pad...all we had to do was wet it down and get the neighbors to move their cars....

[Tims65]

Yes its a perfect skid pad...all we had to do was wet it down and get the neighbors to move their cars....


No need to wet it down with my 347! I can spin this car with ease on dry pavement!

Tim